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Disclaimer: THIS PCT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE.
I regularly receive multiple messages each week asking about my experience using toremifene (Torem) for Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT). I believe these questions stem from a previous post I made about using toremifene in place of Clomid for PCT. Given the number of inquiries, I’ve decided to write a detailed explanation for the community.
My Experience with Clomid and Toremifene in PCT
Over the years, I’ve tried using Clomid (Clomiphene) for PCT on several occasions, often combined with Nolvadex (Tamoxifen). Unfortunately, I experienced all the worst side effects Clomid has to offer, even when I reduced the dose. I became paranoid, irritable, depressed, had poor vision, lost my appetite, and suffered from severe nausea. Despite experimenting with lower doses, I couldn’t find relief, so I decided to stop using Clomid altogether.
At that time, I was dealing with some gynecomastia issues from rebound, and I wanted to explore alternatives. After researching, I came across Toremifene. Originally designed to block estrogen in female cancer patients, Toremifene has shown the ability to significantly raise luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) levels while also blocking estrogen’s effects on tissue. Some studies even suggest that Toremifene can raise LH and FSH levels more effectively than Clomid or Nolvadex, or even both combined. Additionally, I wasn’t a fan of HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) due to the prolonged use it requires, so I thought Toremifene could be a viable alternative for addressing testicular atrophy and maintaining libido during cycles.
First Experience with Toremifene
I first tried Toremifene during a particularly heavy cycle of Trenbolone, Testosterone, and Masteron. I took 25mg of Torem, and within 90 minutes, I noticed significant improvement. My testicles dropped, I experienced heightened libido, and I felt great overall. My testicular size remained normal for about 4 days before beginning to shrink again. While I don't recommend using Torem regularly in this manner, I’ve occasionally used it during cycles when my testosterone levels are severely suppressed, and I need a temporary boost in libido and testicular health.
Toremifene in PCT
After more research and seeing other AAS users report similar positive results with Toremifene, I decided to try it during PCT. Here's what my first PCT protocol with Toremifene looked like:
- HCG: 250iu, 3 times a week, until PCT begins
- Toremifene: 100mg for the first two weeks, 50mg for the following two weeks
- Nolvadex: 40mg daily throughout PCT
- Aromasin and Pramipexole were also included in the regimen based on feedback from others in the community.
The results were remarkable. My energy remained high, libido was excellent, appetite was strong, and emotional well-being was stable throughout the entire PCT. In fact, it was the best PCT I’ve ever done. I retained around 90% of my gains, which I believe was partly due to the improved appetite and mood stability. This particular cycle consisted of Test E (600mg/week), Deca (400mg/week), Dbol (50mg split daily), and a short taper of Anavar. I also included a short ester kicker with Test Propionate and NPP for two weeks.
Caution and Recommendations
This PCT protocol was a personal experiment. Given my negative experience with Clomid, I found Toremifene to be a suitable alternative. However, this is a non-traditional PCT approach, and I do not recommend it for everyone. If you plan to try it, please proceed with caution. Always have traditional PCT compounds on hand in case this approach does not work for you.
Additionally, for those who run NOR-19 compounds (like Nandrolone), there is some speculation that Nolvadex can exacerbate progesterone-related issues during PCT. In such cases, Toremifene can be a great alternative to Nolvadex, as it doesn’t have the same potential to affect progesterone.
Final Thoughts
This method has worked well for me, but every individual is different. I encourage others who have tried Toremifene for PCT to share their experiences here. If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to ask, and I’ll be happy to discuss them further. Always remember, personal research and caution are key when making decisions about your health and post-cycle recovery.
I regularly receive multiple messages each week asking about my experience using toremifene (Torem) for Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT). I believe these questions stem from a previous post I made about using toremifene in place of Clomid for PCT. Given the number of inquiries, I’ve decided to write a detailed explanation for the community.
My Experience with Clomid and Toremifene in PCT
Over the years, I’ve tried using Clomid (Clomiphene) for PCT on several occasions, often combined with Nolvadex (Tamoxifen). Unfortunately, I experienced all the worst side effects Clomid has to offer, even when I reduced the dose. I became paranoid, irritable, depressed, had poor vision, lost my appetite, and suffered from severe nausea. Despite experimenting with lower doses, I couldn’t find relief, so I decided to stop using Clomid altogether.
At that time, I was dealing with some gynecomastia issues from rebound, and I wanted to explore alternatives. After researching, I came across Toremifene. Originally designed to block estrogen in female cancer patients, Toremifene has shown the ability to significantly raise luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) levels while also blocking estrogen’s effects on tissue. Some studies even suggest that Toremifene can raise LH and FSH levels more effectively than Clomid or Nolvadex, or even both combined. Additionally, I wasn’t a fan of HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) due to the prolonged use it requires, so I thought Toremifene could be a viable alternative for addressing testicular atrophy and maintaining libido during cycles.
First Experience with Toremifene
I first tried Toremifene during a particularly heavy cycle of Trenbolone, Testosterone, and Masteron. I took 25mg of Torem, and within 90 minutes, I noticed significant improvement. My testicles dropped, I experienced heightened libido, and I felt great overall. My testicular size remained normal for about 4 days before beginning to shrink again. While I don't recommend using Torem regularly in this manner, I’ve occasionally used it during cycles when my testosterone levels are severely suppressed, and I need a temporary boost in libido and testicular health.
Toremifene in PCT
After more research and seeing other AAS users report similar positive results with Toremifene, I decided to try it during PCT. Here's what my first PCT protocol with Toremifene looked like:
- HCG: 250iu, 3 times a week, until PCT begins
- Toremifene: 100mg for the first two weeks, 50mg for the following two weeks
- Nolvadex: 40mg daily throughout PCT
- Aromasin and Pramipexole were also included in the regimen based on feedback from others in the community.
The results were remarkable. My energy remained high, libido was excellent, appetite was strong, and emotional well-being was stable throughout the entire PCT. In fact, it was the best PCT I’ve ever done. I retained around 90% of my gains, which I believe was partly due to the improved appetite and mood stability. This particular cycle consisted of Test E (600mg/week), Deca (400mg/week), Dbol (50mg split daily), and a short taper of Anavar. I also included a short ester kicker with Test Propionate and NPP for two weeks.
Caution and Recommendations
This PCT protocol was a personal experiment. Given my negative experience with Clomid, I found Toremifene to be a suitable alternative. However, this is a non-traditional PCT approach, and I do not recommend it for everyone. If you plan to try it, please proceed with caution. Always have traditional PCT compounds on hand in case this approach does not work for you.
Additionally, for those who run NOR-19 compounds (like Nandrolone), there is some speculation that Nolvadex can exacerbate progesterone-related issues during PCT. In such cases, Toremifene can be a great alternative to Nolvadex, as it doesn’t have the same potential to affect progesterone.
Final Thoughts
This method has worked well for me, but every individual is different. I encourage others who have tried Toremifene for PCT to share their experiences here. If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to ask, and I’ll be happy to discuss them further. Always remember, personal research and caution are key when making decisions about your health and post-cycle recovery.
